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		By: Bill Kruse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Kruse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And to underline what Lucy, above, says, there&#039;s this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10964125/Tories-discuss-stripping-benefits-claimants-who-refuse-treatment-for-depression.html?fb]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to underline what Lucy, above, says, there&#8217;s this <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10964125/Tories-discuss-stripping-benefits-claimants-who-refuse-treatment-for-depression.html?fb" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10964125/Tories-discuss-stripping-benefits-claimants-who-refuse-treatment-for-depression.html?fb</a></p>
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		By: hypermobilecat		</title>
		<link>https://www.therainbowblog.co.uk/physiotherapists-banned-from-touching-patients/#comment-10381</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 15:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[when I was a child,I had problems with my right leg,never knew what is was,had to do physio and it was advised I should wear an iron brace,my dad said no. I had other children calling me names,referring to my legs. had aches and pains,some days not been able to walk much,on my notes had it put down  as malaise and anxiety,and not been very strong. aged 30 had xray on back,diagnosed with wear and tear artritis. aged 37 really had problems walking,another xray showed dislocated hip,congenital but very good rom.advised to not walk about much and have hip replacement in another 10 years. in 2001,was seen by a rheumatologist,he said it was the way I was made and referred me to physio. he commented that it was due to genes and life related,dx oa,fibromyalgia and hypermobility.at the grand old age of 50 was dx with ehlerdanlos syndrome. now in a wheelchair. definately get this thing about it being me not trying hard enough.have now been dismissed by rheumatologist as she says cant do anything for me. my daughter and son have also been diagnosed,its affecting other parts of health,hernias,heart,skin,gasrointestinal,urinary. It is the way I am made,I am now 55,Iworked and got about when I was able to. I dont bring it up about how it affects me mentally,as it took a long time to get rid of anxiety label.i didnt even know i had dx of gad until i asked to see my records. I have asked for it not be put on my records.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I was a child,I had problems with my right leg,never knew what is was,had to do physio and it was advised I should wear an iron brace,my dad said no. I had other children calling me names,referring to my legs. had aches and pains,some days not been able to walk much,on my notes had it put down  as malaise and anxiety,and not been very strong. aged 30 had xray on back,diagnosed with wear and tear artritis. aged 37 really had problems walking,another xray showed dislocated hip,congenital but very good rom.advised to not walk about much and have hip replacement in another 10 years. in 2001,was seen by a rheumatologist,he said it was the way I was made and referred me to physio. he commented that it was due to genes and life related,dx oa,fibromyalgia and hypermobility.at the grand old age of 50 was dx with ehlerdanlos syndrome. now in a wheelchair. definately get this thing about it being me not trying hard enough.have now been dismissed by rheumatologist as she says cant do anything for me. my daughter and son have also been diagnosed,its affecting other parts of health,hernias,heart,skin,gasrointestinal,urinary. It is the way I am made,I am now 55,Iworked and got about when I was able to. I dont bring it up about how it affects me mentally,as it took a long time to get rid of anxiety label.i didnt even know i had dx of gad until i asked to see my records. I have asked for it not be put on my records.</p>
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		By: Lucy		</title>
		<link>https://www.therainbowblog.co.uk/physiotherapists-banned-from-touching-patients/#comment-7612</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This ethos of blaming the patient for not trying hard enough has been around since 2008 for those with any kind of mental health issue.

They are sent (under the IAPT scheme) to group CBT for a duration of six sessions. There, people with myriad forms of mental health problem are basically told to think themselves happy and that all of their beliefs and thoughts are wrong and irrelevant to their current state.

Yes, people who have survived the most serious forms of childhood sexual abuse, neglect, workplace bullying, domestic violence and grinding, relentless poverty are being shoved into a group and told that everything in their head is wrong and it is their fault that they aren&#039;t happy.

Very occasionally, individuals with more severe problems will be allocated six one to one sessions, but it will still be CBT and it usually won&#039;t help the individual.

There are variants to the group model, including keeping journals to help rationalise negative thoughts, but generally the results are the same - crap.

When this cod therapy fails, when perhaps the person&#039;s condition gets worse, they are told that they didn&#039;t apply themselves to the therapy seriously and it&#039;s their own fault that their condition has not improved or worsened.

The drop out rate for CBT under IAPT is 84% and its effectiveness is only assessed by comparison to the waiting list. (NICE)

Cheaply delivered, half arsed, group CBT is the only &quot;talking therapy&quot; that is approved by NICE.  No other options are funded.

Individuals working for Positive Step (a provider of IAPT) which is an ATOS company only get 6 weeks training in delivering script based, group CBT.  Often the sessions are based on power point presentations with leaflets handed out afterwards telling the hapless individual to go out and buy lots of pop psychology self help books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ethos of blaming the patient for not trying hard enough has been around since 2008 for those with any kind of mental health issue.</p>
<p>They are sent (under the IAPT scheme) to group CBT for a duration of six sessions. There, people with myriad forms of mental health problem are basically told to think themselves happy and that all of their beliefs and thoughts are wrong and irrelevant to their current state.</p>
<p>Yes, people who have survived the most serious forms of childhood sexual abuse, neglect, workplace bullying, domestic violence and grinding, relentless poverty are being shoved into a group and told that everything in their head is wrong and it is their fault that they aren&#8217;t happy.</p>
<p>Very occasionally, individuals with more severe problems will be allocated six one to one sessions, but it will still be CBT and it usually won&#8217;t help the individual.</p>
<p>There are variants to the group model, including keeping journals to help rationalise negative thoughts, but generally the results are the same &#8211; crap.</p>
<p>When this cod therapy fails, when perhaps the person&#8217;s condition gets worse, they are told that they didn&#8217;t apply themselves to the therapy seriously and it&#8217;s their own fault that their condition has not improved or worsened.</p>
<p>The drop out rate for CBT under IAPT is 84% and its effectiveness is only assessed by comparison to the waiting list. (NICE)</p>
<p>Cheaply delivered, half arsed, group CBT is the only &#8220;talking therapy&#8221; that is approved by NICE.  No other options are funded.</p>
<p>Individuals working for Positive Step (a provider of IAPT) which is an ATOS company only get 6 weeks training in delivering script based, group CBT.  Often the sessions are based on power point presentations with leaflets handed out afterwards telling the hapless individual to go out and buy lots of pop psychology self help books.</p>
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		By: Bill Kruse		</title>
		<link>https://www.therainbowblog.co.uk/physiotherapists-banned-from-touching-patients/#comment-3935</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well spotted Grayling.]]></description>
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		By: Grayling		</title>
		<link>https://www.therainbowblog.co.uk/physiotherapists-banned-from-touching-patients/#comment-3934</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grayling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2316-mandatory-dwp-health-advice-for-esa-claimants people are already suspicious , it does appear to be the blame game that you have described , the possibility hostile / disingenuous / misleading questioning by #ATOS or #Capita . Labour tried this in 2008 ...The Condition Management Programme but shelved it ...it appears that the tax payer funded Silk Cushion enthusiast Hoban is trying to rehash this ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2316-mandatory-dwp-health-advice-for-esa-claimants" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2316-mandatory-dwp-health-advice-for-esa-claimants</a> people are already suspicious , it does appear to be the blame game that you have described , the possibility hostile / disingenuous / misleading questioning by #ATOS or #Capita . Labour tried this in 2008 &#8230;The Condition Management Programme but shelved it &#8230;it appears that the tax payer funded Silk Cushion enthusiast Hoban is trying to rehash this ?</p>
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		By: IDS		</title>
		<link>https://www.therainbowblog.co.uk/physiotherapists-banned-from-touching-patients/#comment-2517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IDS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 07:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#ATOS also do OHS for employers .....basically this approach absolves the employer of blame ....the idea is to chase some one back to work , as OHS they can overrule the GP , Consultant , Specialist as apparently ( and I stress the word apparently ) only they know your job not the GP etc

The employer and #ATOS acting as their agent are banking on some one not putting a claim in , they can afford the insurance if someone does ...also they&#039;ll hope people will be too ground down to give them a problem again .

If they can get someone naive enough to believe that the condition / injury / illness is &quot; all their fault &quot; ...they&#039;re hardly likely to give them a Health and Safety at work problem .

Some unions do call the employers / #ATOS bluff ...if being returned to work ...arguably too early aggravates something it then becomes &quot; an accident at work &quot; ...some unions don&#039;t trust #ATOS at all and want their reps in to ride shotgun on these hokus pocus sham &quot; medicals &quot;

The only way that approach in the article can be possibly ! defended is if illnesses / conditions / injuries are self inflicted ...say like someone with a serious drink / drug problem .............however I know of one union that tolerates necessary evils rather than the holier than thou approach ....i.e. yes so and so might well have deserved the sack ...but the employer has botched everything all the way through / failed to adhere to it&#039;s own procedure and would lose an employment tribunal ....and there&#039;s people that have been stitched up and / or sacked that didn&#039;t necessarily deserved it .

ATOS do advertise &quot; downsizing solutions &quot; on their web site .....however the reduce the cost of early / medical retirements mantra is driven by UNUM pseudo science / rhetoric ...however there&#039;s always the cases of embarrassing managers getting early retirement as the employer&#039;s worst nightmare is a bitter and twisted manager spilling the beans / blowing the whistle .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#ATOS also do OHS for employers &#8230;..basically this approach absolves the employer of blame &#8230;.the idea is to chase some one back to work , as OHS they can overrule the GP , Consultant , Specialist as apparently ( and I stress the word apparently ) only they know your job not the GP etc</p>
<p>The employer and #ATOS acting as their agent are banking on some one not putting a claim in , they can afford the insurance if someone does &#8230;also they&#8217;ll hope people will be too ground down to give them a problem again .</p>
<p>If they can get someone naive enough to believe that the condition / injury / illness is &#8221; all their fault &#8221; &#8230;they&#8217;re hardly likely to give them a Health and Safety at work problem .</p>
<p>Some unions do call the employers / #ATOS bluff &#8230;if being returned to work &#8230;arguably too early aggravates something it then becomes &#8221; an accident at work &#8221; &#8230;some unions don&#8217;t trust #ATOS at all and want their reps in to ride shotgun on these hokus pocus sham &#8221; medicals &#8221;</p>
<p>The only way that approach in the article can be possibly ! defended is if illnesses / conditions / injuries are self inflicted &#8230;say like someone with a serious drink / drug problem &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.however I know of one union that tolerates necessary evils rather than the holier than thou approach &#8230;.i.e. yes so and so might well have deserved the sack &#8230;but the employer has botched everything all the way through / failed to adhere to it&#8217;s own procedure and would lose an employment tribunal &#8230;.and there&#8217;s people that have been stitched up and / or sacked that didn&#8217;t necessarily deserved it .</p>
<p>ATOS do advertise &#8221; downsizing solutions &#8221; on their web site &#8230;..however the reduce the cost of early / medical retirements mantra is driven by UNUM pseudo science / rhetoric &#8230;however there&#8217;s always the cases of embarrassing managers getting early retirement as the employer&#8217;s worst nightmare is a bitter and twisted manager spilling the beans / blowing the whistle .</p>
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		By: Jenny Dent		</title>
		<link>https://www.therainbowblog.co.uk/physiotherapists-banned-from-touching-patients/#comment-2509</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny Dent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ludicrous What about people who are paralyzed Or on ventilators What about the cystic fibrosis children needing pummeling - with out this they will die.  What about stoke patients who need the physio to support them to improve muscles What about the old lady with a zimmer frame who needs a guiding  hand and support. Oh why don&#039;t we go one further and put all of the above onto the Liverpool Care Pathway and let them die Now that would bring in wads of cash from the government for meeting their targets for letting people die. 
I am 110 % ashamed to be British]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ludicrous What about people who are paralyzed Or on ventilators What about the cystic fibrosis children needing pummeling &#8211; with out this they will die.  What about stoke patients who need the physio to support them to improve muscles What about the old lady with a zimmer frame who needs a guiding  hand and support. Oh why don&#8217;t we go one further and put all of the above onto the Liverpool Care Pathway and let them die Now that would bring in wads of cash from the government for meeting their targets for letting people die.<br />
I am 110 % ashamed to be British</p>
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		By: Concerned		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shocking.  This country is going down the toilet.  :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shocking.  This country is going down the toilet.  🙁</p>
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		By: Grayling		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grayling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for confirming my suspicions Bill - I nearly ended up in hospital as I was so run down at work due to a underlying condition ...I&#039;ve had from birth . 

The Employer sent me on a Business Referral Form to see the by common consent , the much maligned ATOS Origin &quot; Doctor &quot; . 

The report was atypically negative , riddled with errors , curious , vague , obscure , full of contradictions and begging more questions than answers . 

However there was one particular bit falsely stating that  I&#039;d been  been well advised by HCP&#039;s as how to deal with my condition which I was suspicious of ...I wondered if he was merely telling the employer what they wanted to hear ....IMO the cheap corporate whores that ATOS are ......or if there was a more sinnister agenda . The so called &quot; solution &quot; to &quot; remove the barriers &quot; suggested was equally laughable if it wasn&#039;t so ridiculous too . 

Also I&#039;d been under the care of senior NHS consultants ...they don&#039;t send for you for nothing . At the &quot; medical &quot; the &quot;  HCP &quot; was merely a doctor ....on the report he&#039;d been &quot; suddenly &quot; promoted to Consultant . I wondered if this was a crass way of trying to pull rank over senior and better qualified key NHS staff ...now I wonder if he&#039;d been promoted for being on message and telling ATOS exactly what they wanted to hear . 

My Union Branch Secretary was none too impressed , he hinted at reporting the ATOS &quot; hack &quot; as he described him to the GMC , and getting in touch with the Union&#039;s legal department to arrange a panel of suitably qualified medical experts ...not jobbing GP&#039;s at best]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for confirming my suspicions Bill &#8211; I nearly ended up in hospital as I was so run down at work due to a underlying condition &#8230;I&#8217;ve had from birth . </p>
<p>The Employer sent me on a Business Referral Form to see the by common consent , the much maligned ATOS Origin &#8221; Doctor &#8221; . </p>
<p>The report was atypically negative , riddled with errors , curious , vague , obscure , full of contradictions and begging more questions than answers . </p>
<p>However there was one particular bit falsely stating that  I&#8217;d been  been well advised by HCP&#8217;s as how to deal with my condition which I was suspicious of &#8230;I wondered if he was merely telling the employer what they wanted to hear &#8230;.IMO the cheap corporate whores that ATOS are &#8230;&#8230;or if there was a more sinnister agenda . The so called &#8221; solution &#8221; to &#8221; remove the barriers &#8221; suggested was equally laughable if it wasn&#8217;t so ridiculous too . </p>
<p>Also I&#8217;d been under the care of senior NHS consultants &#8230;they don&#8217;t send for you for nothing . At the &#8221; medical &#8221; the &#8221;  HCP &#8221; was merely a doctor &#8230;.on the report he&#8217;d been &#8221; suddenly &#8221; promoted to Consultant . I wondered if this was a crass way of trying to pull rank over senior and better qualified key NHS staff &#8230;now I wonder if he&#8217;d been promoted for being on message and telling ATOS exactly what they wanted to hear . </p>
<p>My Union Branch Secretary was none too impressed , he hinted at reporting the ATOS &#8221; hack &#8221; as he described him to the GMC , and getting in touch with the Union&#8217;s legal department to arrange a panel of suitably qualified medical experts &#8230;not jobbing GP&#8217;s at best</p>
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